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PostThu Nov 24, 2005 6:09 pm Reply with quote

Forumers,

This started as a PM to Josh, so forgive disparities in tone. This is what is known in the trade as a Serious Thread, so if you're feeling like a dick, there's Kleenex in The Kitchen.

Looking at the PA forums last night really opened my eyes. One is getting older, one tires of joining the communities of others. We have a community, even if it is one of bad-mannered spamming know-it-alls with no respect: I'll work from this. The motivation is now there for me to start work on the SLN site-proper.

Anyone got any bright ideas?

I want to text-base most of the fucker: fast loading pages are ftw (for the win, Josh). You only have to look at craigslist, one of the most looked at sites on the web, to realise that all that Flash bullshit just isn't where it's at: the people like it to look pretty, but inevitably they'd rather it worked well (on the subject, this is fucking funny). Not sure whether to go for simple black on white or simple white on black (grey features in both). Not sure whether to use a colour, and if so whether it be a nice orange or a sexy purple (both work well with grey/black/white, though blue perhaps also an option). Also, does anyone use a resolution below 1024x768 these days? Does anyone not use FireFox? Does anyone resize windows (i.e. not have them constantly maximized)? Answering such trivial questions would be helpful. Content-wise... throw in a Linksville to all the pages I open immediatly upon start-up (gmail/here/pvp/pa/boasas), a 'blog' (for me, meh, and anyone who wants one), image archive and video archive (yes, finally you'll be able have my genius on your desktop). Is that sufficient to accomplish the goal of getting your average three-second-span internetian to click-through? Probably not.

So, Tycho, Gabe. What the fuck do they think they're up to? By day, they game, by evening, they spam out a comic (I suspect once you have the methodology and enormous fanbase this isn't as challenging as you might imagine) and, somehow, they make a living doing this. Now, my goal is hardly to make a living from a webpage, but I have no desire to invest my valuable time making something that no one looks at. I'm trying to find alternatives short of actually metamorphosizing into Tycho.

There are few things that occur with a minor amount of thought. The DotA website goes down every time they release a new version, so SLN should mirror it (bandwidth is going to end up an issue whatever happens). I'm aware that this forum is an aesthetic pile of stale crap, so if anyone knows anyone who knows anything about modding phpBB, let me know (links to nicely designed forums like PA also appreciated). With Josh's permission, I'll host or mirror tshirtlove. Ian's classic freakish.20m.com should also probably find a home here somewhere. Every little helps. More ideas like this.

I believe everyone will agree with me when I say, quite explicity, that Josh Should Make a Fucking Webcomic. He's more than sufficiently talented both as an artist and writer, and has the technical and intellectual expertise of the rest of the forum, most particularly myself and Ian, at his disposal. I'm sure he's pressed for time and all that, but I would be surprised if such an endeavour were not worthy of the time invested in it. Came across quite an interesting format at this crappy movie site (do not watch the trailer) which blends animation and comic in a way that might, if better executed, be quite dope. Click through the the 'comic miniseries' (another disadvantage of Flash sites is that they aren't properly linkable) and watch it, ignoring the content, words, art, any interactive bits, etc. Just something I hadn't seen before and saw potential in.

Well, that's pretty much all I've got to bore you with at the present time. Whether you reply or don't, I at least have something to work to now. Comments on any of the above points/questions would be more than welcome.

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PostThu Nov 24, 2005 6:33 pm Reply with quote

As far as increasing popularity goes, what SLN lacks is content. Pure forums usually have some overriding focus (e.g. Blizzforums, WF) with the general forums being an extra, whereas SLN is entirely constituted of general forums. Now, whilst it's true that the general forums usually end up being the most popular, there needs be something that SLN forums are a good place to go to for in order that the general forums become more populated. Getting a super dope webcomic going would obviously be a good way to offer something unique, but even when the aims of improved aesthetics, purpose and content are accomplished, the problem will still be that of a lack of publicity.

So, to me, the most important question is: How the fuck did Penny Arcade get their fanbase in the first place?

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PostThu Nov 24, 2005 6:40 pm Reply with quote

Topic-specific forums here at this stage would be sad, empty places. Knowing eachother as we all do, such conversation are better conducted in person. Once the central site generates enough hits, I'll rejig the forum appropriatly (and likely put it in one of your capable hands).

Indeed, content is always the killer. My thoughts, as you can see from the above, currently gravitate towards ways of generating enough of it to make SLN worth looking at. Once that's achieved, the goal will be to make it worth bookmarking. Once that's done, I don't forsee any problems populating this forum.

Edit: Technical stuff vs. Ian. This is going to seem over-kill for SLN in its forseeable state, but one has to start complex in order to save redesigning at a later stage. At the moment I'm seeing SLN as driven by simple PHP-content management. Entailed therein is an interface allowing "us" to login and add to a DB with fields 'Title', 'Author', 'Category', 'Subcategory', 'Text Content', 'Image Content', 'FileY/N', 'FilePath'. Any additional fields you can think of would be strong (better to have them and not use them than have to add them). This should be relatively simple to code, requiring only two databases, 'users' and 'content'. Do you know anything about encryption (simple user/password I can do, but hackable it will be)?

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PostThu Nov 24, 2005 6:45 pm Reply with quote

I think the word spreads amongst the net community surprisingly fast. If anyone big links your site it would go down instantly (assuming big is like PvP or Maddox or PA and what have you), but word of...words would probably work. I think other people linking to your site is what brings google up (correct me if I'm wrong) so maybe you could email anyone who might enjoy your site and get them to link your ass up. I'm all for the webcomic but Josh needs his stylus and stuff back. I'd be happy to help with character concept, design and humour. Maybe you could host a comic forums....People post a few comics and we say what we like about them. I know we don't know much about them, but we can give an unbiased opinion on the humour and all that stuff.

Oh, and I always have things maximised.

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PostThu Nov 24, 2005 6:52 pm Reply with quote

Very true. The task is to make a site sufficiently wicked so as to get a link from one of the big geek-sites. We've got a good name for it. As you said, Google's pageranks are based on how many link-ins a site has. I nominate Ian for the task of infiltrating somethingawful.com.
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PostThu Nov 24, 2005 8:42 pm Reply with quote

To focus on the purely self-indulgent briefly, I would adore to do a webcomic either going it alone or with another person. Right now the main thing stopping me is a compelling enough idea and a pen for my tablet. I have been kicking around a few ideas for a while, but nothing that screams "YES" at me right away. The tablet thing is next on my buy-list. Sadly I have no actual such list and so other things are bought more immediately. I crave a wacom and may beg the parents for a Christmas-based one.

As to content more gernally, the really bug sites are often more hubs than anything: SA and PA work almost all their content from links or centres for genius who have been in the game for years - PvP (and again PA). These two things are beyond us right now. A lonf way beyond us. So, we need to look at the smaller sites. They seem to be more specific - a webcomic or political commentary or a game/shared interest.

What strikes my slightly drunken brain is that maybe we could, if you guys are serious about this, work a compromise. I'dc love to churn out a comic. I'm sure there are people here who can similarly churn out good crap. If we can do this sconsistently and well, for a period of time we can be both specialised and talented and a hub of many things. Maybe. I dunno what I'm really on about. Wjhat I do know is that you guys are way sexy and I'd be delighted to do shit with you.

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PostFri Nov 25, 2005 7:58 am Reply with quote

Cantlin, I'll need Photoshop at some point btw. Josh, fair points (although I'm sure Cantlin may take a crack at your typos), and I'd like to do a comic anyways. I'll begin compiling a list of interesting ideas - shall I email them, post them in this topic or start a new one?
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PostMon Nov 28, 2005 2:47 am Reply with quote

Joshwa wrote:
What strikes my slightly drunken brain is that maybe we could, if you guys are serious about this, work a compromise. I'dc love to churn out a comic. I'm sure there are people here who can similarly churn out good crap. If we can do this sconsistently and well, for a period of time we can be both specialised and talented and a hub of many things. Maybe. I dunno what I'm really on about. Wjhat I do know is that you guys are way sexy and I'd be delighted to do shit with you.

That's pretty much the essence of it. If we can 'churn out' enough interesting crap over an indefinite period of time we might, as you say, become eventually a 'hub of things'. And I love you too, honeybun.

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Cantlin, I'll need Photoshop at some point btw

Can do.

Falco wrote:
I'll begin compiling a list of interesting ideas - shall I email them, post them in this topic or start a new one?

Probably best starting a new thread in Josh's forum.

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When you type superlatenight into Google it suggests you meant Supper Tonight.
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PostThu Dec 01, 2005 2:44 pm Reply with quote

I usually mean 'super late night' when I say 'supper tonight?'.

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PostThu Dec 01, 2005 6:13 pm Reply with quote

What pants. Y'all go get websites and link to me ty.
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PostWed Dec 07, 2005 3:01 pm Reply with quote

Very pro work on the Christmas Mario. I enjoy it a lot.
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PostMon Dec 12, 2005 1:11 pm Reply with quote

Pawn wrote:
Also, does anyone use a resolution below 1024x768 these days? Does anyone not use FireFox? Does anyone resize windows (i.e. not have them constantly maximized)? Answering such trivial questions would be helpful.


Wandering 'cross the web, I came across these stats and couldn't help but think of this thread. not the most illuminating reply, but I found them interesting and they might prove useful/of interest.

Also: http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat_trends.htm
http://www.utexas.edu/teamweb/reports/scren_resolution/index.php?log=May2005.log

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PostWed Jan 25, 2006 3:52 pm Reply with quote

The superlatenight.com management would like to apoligise for the continuing presence of the Christmas Themed Mario Head. Pending access to a real man's computer, there's nothing I can do about it. That said if anyone wants to login to my FTP and replace it with porn, I will be powerless to prevent them.
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PostWed Jan 25, 2006 4:14 pm Reply with quote

IT IS TIME TO ENACT THE PLAN

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